tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5354570505974016585.post3749285646540532982..comments2023-12-27T05:56:10.287-08:00Comments on Denton Drilling: A Blog by Adam Briggle: After the Vote, Part 2/3: Why Didn’t we Get an A?Adamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05658985227327961661noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5354570505974016585.post-18517549636191810892013-01-22T20:23:42.221-08:002013-01-22T20:23:42.221-08:00Well, this is quite a litany of accusations. I wou...Well, this is quite a litany of accusations. I would like to see where I use dismissive, infantalizing, and demeaning language. I also would like to see where I ever (let alone consistently) make a fact/emotion dichotomy. <br /><br />I won't back down from my belief that insulting City Council members is uncalled for (especially on Tuesday when they just made major concessions to our demands). I am not dismissing anger; I'm asking for it to be channeled productively. <br /><br />I'm getting tired of these baseless attacks and accusations. It's like you are looking for an enemy - constructing a straw man to be angry at...even me! A guy who has put in countless hours fighting for stronger regulations. I'm starting to wonder who I've been fighting for...<br /><br />Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05658985227327961661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5354570505974016585.post-68803168733343696612013-01-22T15:35:56.853-08:002013-01-22T15:35:56.853-08:00You know, I've been looking for a way to respo...You know, I've been looking for a way to respond to some of your blog posts and it's taken a while to find the right way of saying this.<br />The people you dismiss as students are also people who live in Denton, who may or may not move away but who do have a stake in breathing clean air & drinking clean water. Also? Not everyone in the group is a student. There are people in that group who aren't students but who care deeply and want a group to go to. They are not toys to be set forth by DAG, they deserve respect and consideration. They have a very clear understanding of what they want & are working very hard to achieve it. They are not stupid children running around or existing to do whatever you tell them to do. The language you use to describe them is infantilizing and demeaning. <br />This also leads to your consistent use of the fact/emotions dichotomy that you're quick to bring up. None of these people are mad without reason. In fact, they're mad BECAUSE of the facts. They know the facts, they've read the same studies, done the research and still come out mad. They see the people who will be hurt by fracking. Some of them know the pain of seeing someone suffer because of pollution. And they've made factual arguments. They've asked the city, they've brought it up and still felt like the city wasn't listening because they weren't. They hold closed meetings and try to stack the deck to the industry's advantage and then tell you that they're being open & fair. This is not random, and the fact you dismiss their anger says you don't actually see them as people capable of logic. In fact, it's the same argument the industry uses to dismiss environmental concerns because how dare people feel indigent that they're being poisoned? These people have every right to be angry and your dismissal of them says you worry more about being a good liberal than a good person. And that should concern you deeply. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5354570505974016585.post-51240538240229736272013-01-21T17:09:52.237-08:002013-01-21T17:09:52.237-08:00The way I see it is the city was just as, or more,...The way I see it is the city was just as, or more, disrespectful than people say the students were. The only difference is the students said F*** you out loud and the city and the city council said F*** you with their actions. Personally, I would prefer someone who expresses their opinions to my face over someone who shits on me and tells me it's ice cream so be happy. There is no way to turn what the city and the council did into something other than what it is was. Their actions were disrespectful, arrogant, uninformed, and irresponsible. It was disrespectful to all of those who have spent countless hours doing research and attending meeting. scubawithdogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05686807007071907856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5354570505974016585.post-50449139008851541252013-01-21T15:49:24.316-08:002013-01-21T15:49:24.316-08:00I am not suggesting you take the blame for poor de...I am not suggesting you take the blame for poor decisions but you did forget to follow through with your promise to print out and bring those talking points. Also the slip of paper with the suggested starting sentence. I remember explicitly that you promised to bring these materials. If your email was meant to serve instead of your promise to bring them, then you should have stated that in the email. Fortunately I was able to look back on a Facebook comment made by Amber to find the starting sentence about solidarity. I copied that and pasted it into to notes and read it from my phone. But like everyone else, I thought the talking points would be available as agreed. <br /><br />You did forget. That is a fact. TXsharonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07438250322631393952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5354570505974016585.post-39275479768281352172013-01-21T15:14:00.968-08:002013-01-21T15:14:00.968-08:00amendment: I meant overall policy PROCESS above, f...amendment: I meant overall policy PROCESS above, forgot that wordAdamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05658985227327961661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5354570505974016585.post-83645580129720637392013-01-21T15:13:14.236-08:002013-01-21T15:13:14.236-08:00You make a good point that comes up most clearly i...You make a good point that comes up most clearly in your response to 3: City Council is ultimately responsible for the process (the buck stops there, as it were). So you are right that the bungled task force and overall policy falls on their hands. <br /><br />I didn't forget talking points. See my blog with many posts explicitly labeled 'talking points.' I also supplied text via e-mail to the whole group with the title 'some possible things to say on Tuesday night.' I ain't gonna take the blame for others' poor decisions. Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05658985227327961661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5354570505974016585.post-82372727677809892472013-01-21T14:56:52.996-08:002013-01-21T14:56:52.996-08:00I have too many questions to absolve the council. ...I have too many questions to absolve the council. <br /><br />1. Agreed in principle but in this case, if you compare the bulk of the citizen comments to reality, it's not even close. <br /><br />2. Agreed. <br /><br />3. And who is responsible for that? Other cities have excluded industry from their task forces. They were allowed to make a presentation. Some cities allowed industry on their task force but they were not a majority. The cities with the weakest ordinances allowed industry to play the biggest role--Fort Worth, Arlington and Denton. This task force was a ridiculous waste of time and taxpayer dollars. <br /><br />4. Attorneys who represent stakeholders have a conflict of interest and tend to give bad advice. Big surprise. <br /><br />5. Who does bear the bulk of the blame? Who was responsible for importing Groth from Arlington? Who allowed the task farce to be stacked with industry people? Who forced them to have a premature vote when the moratorium could extend through Feb? Why was their process so different from the other, more successful cities? Why not have non-industry expert panel give presentations or at least consult so they would have sound information? Who has the ultimate responsibility? <br /><br />Phase II was a two year process but the entire ordinance process took four years--four years for a C or C-. <br /><br />Who forgot to supply the students with their talking points as promised? Maybe if they had been given the talking points they would have maintained better focus. <br /><br />6.True but it's a cop out. TXsharonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07438250322631393952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5354570505974016585.post-25789297990927909732013-01-21T12:24:11.091-08:002013-01-21T12:24:11.091-08:00do you have a more reasonable account or are you o...do you have a more reasonable account or are you only interested in perpetuating a myth? I just don't see any plausible story here about how they are the main reason for an average-at-best ordinance. Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05658985227327961661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5354570505974016585.post-6784713873592337002013-01-21T10:27:29.492-08:002013-01-21T10:27:29.492-08:00R u so close 2 council that you must absolve them ...R u so close 2 council that you must absolve them of all blame? flawed reasoning prof. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com